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	<title>Comments on: The Scoop On Poop: Cloth vs. Disposable Diapers</title>
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		<title>By: Stig</title>
		<link>http://www.morganhillreview.com/2009/01/06/the-scoop-on-poop-cloth-vs-disposable-diapers/comment-page-1/#comment-1378</link>
		<dc:creator>Stig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Guess this is just for future readers who stumble into an old article, like me, but what the heck...)

Just wanted to note that the lifecycle assessment from DEFRA (which seems to be the _only_ scientific document mentioned, and the sole basis of this article) was updated in 2008 (_after_ this article was written?), drawing a different conclusion:

Reusable had a slightly larger baseline carbon footprint (570kg vs. 550kg from disposable)
The baseline could either be lowered 40% or raised 75% depending user handling. Lowering 40%: washing nappies in a
fuller load, outdoor line drying all of the time, and reusing nappies on a second child. Raising 75%: tumble-drying and only washing on 90 degrees (centigrade).

This updated study concludes that there is a significant environmental advantage from using reusable diapers, but that it depends on the user.

However: Basing your standpoint on ONE article hardly more intelligent or informed than having an opinion based on a feeling. 

Note to Aahz: Great article taking a standpoint not often seen on the internet (why not?). Kudos for bringing up the flip-side of the coin, and trying to create constructive debate, but you appear to be more interested in getting responses in order to shoot them down. Those last comments are even borderline aggressive...

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Guess this is just for future readers who stumble into an old article, like me, but what the heck&#8230;)</p>
<p>Just wanted to note that the lifecycle assessment from DEFRA (which seems to be the _only_ scientific document mentioned, and the sole basis of this article) was updated in 2008 (_after_ this article was written?), drawing a different conclusion:</p>
<p>Reusable had a slightly larger baseline carbon footprint (570kg vs. 550kg from disposable)<br />
The baseline could either be lowered 40% or raised 75% depending user handling. Lowering 40%: washing nappies in a<br />
fuller load, outdoor line drying all of the time, and reusing nappies on a second child. Raising 75%: tumble-drying and only washing on 90 degrees (centigrade).</p>
<p>This updated study concludes that there is a significant environmental advantage from using reusable diapers, but that it depends on the user.</p>
<p>However: Basing your standpoint on ONE article hardly more intelligent or informed than having an opinion based on a feeling. </p>
<p>Note to Aahz: Great article taking a standpoint not often seen on the internet (why not?). Kudos for bringing up the flip-side of the coin, and trying to create constructive debate, but you appear to be more interested in getting responses in order to shoot them down. Those last comments are even borderline aggressive&#8230;</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Felton Qualey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felton Qualey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s really helpful for me which I have ever seen....Its presented well and nicely written which easy to understand.Thank you very much for the information..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s really helpful for me which I have ever seen&#8230;.Its presented well and nicely written which easy to understand.Thank you very much for the information..</p>
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		<title>By: Aahz</title>
		<link>http://www.morganhillreview.com/2009/01/06/the-scoop-on-poop-cloth-vs-disposable-diapers/comment-page-1/#comment-989</link>
		<dc:creator>Aahz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 21:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This site is called &quot;Morgan Hill Review&quot; and was built to review and discuss items of interest to the community of Morgan Hill (hence its lack of updates since I moved out of Morgan Hill).  Your site is called &quot;The Best Cloth Diapers&quot; and seems to serve no other purpose than to send people through links to make you money.  But running a site exclusively about diapers seems to be putting yourself forward as an expert on the subject. There&#039;s a pretty radical difference there, my friend.

You couldn&#039;t find a single article or statement to support your theory that landfills aren&#039;t designed to handle poop?  Strange that the EPA page on Landfills doesn&#039;t mention that fecal matter is prohibited from landfills.  I cited that municipal site because it&#039;s the only mention of human waste and landfills I could find on a fact based site.  Probably because it&#039;s not a problem.  But I guess we&#039;ll just have to take the word of an anonymous poster citing their own life experience on that one.

And, of course people raise hell whenever a new landfill is built.  But that doesn&#039;t mean we&#039;re &quot;running out of space&quot;, it just means there are a lot of whiners who don&#039;t want to &quot;pay&quot; the price for modern society.  There&#039;s plenty of land around and it&#039;s plenty close to major population centers.  Just like the recycling plants, people would rather kvetch about something, force regulations on others, and/or make up &quot;facts&quot; then deal with reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This site is called &#8220;Morgan Hill Review&#8221; and was built to review and discuss items of interest to the community of Morgan Hill (hence its lack of updates since I moved out of Morgan Hill).  Your site is called &#8220;The Best Cloth Diapers&#8221; and seems to serve no other purpose than to send people through links to make you money.  But running a site exclusively about diapers seems to be putting yourself forward as an expert on the subject. There&#8217;s a pretty radical difference there, my friend.</p>
<p>You couldn&#8217;t find a single article or statement to support your theory that landfills aren&#8217;t designed to handle poop?  Strange that the EPA page on Landfills doesn&#8217;t mention that fecal matter is prohibited from landfills.  I cited that municipal site because it&#8217;s the only mention of human waste and landfills I could find on a fact based site.  Probably because it&#8217;s not a problem.  But I guess we&#8217;ll just have to take the word of an anonymous poster citing their own life experience on that one.</p>
<p>And, of course people raise hell whenever a new landfill is built.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean we&#8217;re &#8220;running out of space&#8221;, it just means there are a lot of whiners who don&#8217;t want to &#8220;pay&#8221; the price for modern society.  There&#8217;s plenty of land around and it&#8217;s plenty close to major population centers.  Just like the recycling plants, people would rather kvetch about something, force regulations on others, and/or make up &#8220;facts&#8221; then deal with reality.<br />
<span class="cluv">Aahz&#180;s last [type] ..<a class="454adda949 989" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.philaahzophy.com/2011/03/19/should-prisoners-pay-for-their-own-incarceration/">Should Prisoners Pay For Their Own Incarceration</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.morganhillreview.com/2009/01/06/the-scoop-on-poop-cloth-vs-disposable-diapers/comment-page-1/#comment-988</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 07:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before you imply that my response is biased because I &quot;make my living&quot; from selling diapers please explain how your site is different from mine? If someone clicks on one of the links on my site and goes to Amazon and makes a purchase, Amazon pays me 4% to 8% commission. 
If someone clicks on one of the ads on your page you are paid a commission, so please leave the &quot;holier than thou&quot; crap out of the discussion.

1) Water temperature - The reference to temperature was based on one of the above comments and it was stated in degrees centigrade, so that was the temperature scale I used.
 
2) Empty Land - It may look empty to you but just try and find a piece of land to build a dump on. If San Jose were to announce tomorrow that they were planning to build a new landfill between the city and Morgan Hill I expect there would be considerable negative response. Now maybe I&#039;m wrong because I don&#039;t know your area at all, but it would NOT be difficult to find historical evidence of MANY instances where it has taken municipalities a long time to find a site to build a new landfill because of adjacent landowner objections.
  
3) Landfills and Sewage - &quot;We’re not talking about sewage here, we’re talking about human waste products.&quot; What is your definition of sewage?
According to biologyonline.org sewage is: &quot;Waste matter carried away in sewers or drains. Human waste, often toxic to many organisms which can be treated in a variety of ways to eliminate its dangerous components.&quot; 
To write that all landfills are properly designed just because some bureaucrat told you so is ludicrous. I&#039;ve seen with my own eyes enough landfills (mostly in smaller centers) to know that what I&#039;m looking at is a hole in the ground and nothing more. 
I can also see that waste handling is improving, but don&#039;t tell me that there is little difference between the proper treatment of sewage and dumping it in a landfill.
4) Recycling - There are too many government regulations to start any type of business, but do you really think we should convince government to eliminate them all? I think not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before you imply that my response is biased because I &#8220;make my living&#8221; from selling diapers please explain how your site is different from mine? If someone clicks on one of the links on my site and goes to Amazon and makes a purchase, Amazon pays me 4% to 8% commission.<br />
If someone clicks on one of the ads on your page you are paid a commission, so please leave the &#8220;holier than thou&#8221; crap out of the discussion.</p>
<p>1) Water temperature &#8211; The reference to temperature was based on one of the above comments and it was stated in degrees centigrade, so that was the temperature scale I used.</p>
<p>2) Empty Land &#8211; It may look empty to you but just try and find a piece of land to build a dump on. If San Jose were to announce tomorrow that they were planning to build a new landfill between the city and Morgan Hill I expect there would be considerable negative response. Now maybe I&#8217;m wrong because I don&#8217;t know your area at all, but it would NOT be difficult to find historical evidence of MANY instances where it has taken municipalities a long time to find a site to build a new landfill because of adjacent landowner objections.</p>
<p>3) Landfills and Sewage &#8211; &#8220;We’re not talking about sewage here, we’re talking about human waste products.&#8221; What is your definition of sewage?<br />
According to biologyonline.org sewage is: &#8220;Waste matter carried away in sewers or drains. Human waste, often toxic to many organisms which can be treated in a variety of ways to eliminate its dangerous components.&#8221;<br />
To write that all landfills are properly designed just because some bureaucrat told you so is ludicrous. I&#8217;ve seen with my own eyes enough landfills (mostly in smaller centers) to know that what I&#8217;m looking at is a hole in the ground and nothing more.<br />
I can also see that waste handling is improving, but don&#8217;t tell me that there is little difference between the proper treatment of sewage and dumping it in a landfill.<br />
4) Recycling &#8211; There are too many government regulations to start any type of business, but do you really think we should convince government to eliminate them all? I think not.</p>
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		<title>By: Aahz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aahz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 22:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where do you get your information, Doug?  Because you&#039;re citing &quot;facts&quot; that I find no evidence of, and I expect much more from someone who sells cloth diapers for a living.

1) Washing temperature-

  You say that people won&#039;t wash in water over 60 degrees on a regular basis.  This piqued my curiosity so I went scouring the web for washing machine water temperatures and found the following-

A Maytag Repair Manual states: &quot;Check the water heater. It should be set to deliver a minimum 120° F (49° C) hot water at the tap.&quot; and &quot;REMEMBER: In wash water temperatures below 65° F, detergents do not dissolve well or clean well. Care labels define cold water as up to 85° F.&quot;.

An appliance repair man states in an online forum: &quot;Hot water should be close to 120-140 degrees F. Warm water fill should be 100 degrees F. Cold water is approx 60-80 degrees F.&quot; About.com agrees with these numbers.

Apparently in Germany washing machines display actual temps instead of just &quot;Hot, Warm, Cold&quot;.  According to posters on an English-Test forum thread: &quot;Well, the temperature panel of my washing machine has five levels: 95° [203°F], 60° [140°F], 40° [104°F], 30° [86°F] and funnily enough: cold.&quot; and &quot;The maximum temperature is 90° C, the lowest 30° [86°F]. &#039;Cold&#039; is also an option. I have never used a temperature above 40° C. [104°F]&quot;

2) Proximity of empty land-
 
  Well, here in Morgan Hill we&#039;re less than 20 miles from the 10th largest city in the United States (San Jose - pop. ~1,000,000) and those 20 miles are almost all empty and largely unused.  

  Care to cite a source to support your assertion otherwise?

3) Landfills and &quot;sewage&quot;-

 We&#039;re not talking about sewage here, we&#039;re talking about human waste products.  According to Snohomish County, WA&#039;s Public Works department: &quot;Landfills are designed to safely handle substances such as dog waste, cat litter, and dirty diapers.&quot;

4) Few diaper recycling facilities-

  Can&#039;t argue with you here.  Of course, the reason there are few of these facilities is simply because there is not enough demand for them.  In other words, not enough people care enough about disposable diapers to convince entrepreneurs to be willing to fight through all the government regulations required to start such a business.  Want more diaper recycling?  Convince your government to drop all the regulation! 

I look forward to your response!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do you get your information, Doug?  Because you&#8217;re citing &#8220;facts&#8221; that I find no evidence of, and I expect much more from someone who sells cloth diapers for a living.</p>
<p>1) Washing temperature-</p>
<p>  You say that people won&#8217;t wash in water over 60 degrees on a regular basis.  This piqued my curiosity so I went scouring the web for washing machine water temperatures and found the following-</p>
<p>A Maytag Repair Manual states: &#8220;Check the water heater. It should be set to deliver a minimum 120° F (49° C) hot water at the tap.&#8221; and &#8220;REMEMBER: In wash water temperatures below 65° F, detergents do not dissolve well or clean well. Care labels define cold water as up to 85° F.&#8221;.</p>
<p>An appliance repair man states in an online forum: &#8220;Hot water should be close to 120-140 degrees F. Warm water fill should be 100 degrees F. Cold water is approx 60-80 degrees F.&#8221; About.com agrees with these numbers.</p>
<p>Apparently in Germany washing machines display actual temps instead of just &#8220;Hot, Warm, Cold&#8221;.  According to posters on an English-Test forum thread: &#8220;Well, the temperature panel of my washing machine has five levels: 95° [203°F], 60° [140°F], 40° [104°F], 30° [86°F] and funnily enough: cold.&#8221; and &#8220;The maximum temperature is 90° C, the lowest 30° [86°F]. &#8216;Cold&#8217; is also an option. I have never used a temperature above 40° C. [104°F]&#8221;</p>
<p>2) Proximity of empty land-</p>
<p>  Well, here in Morgan Hill we&#8217;re less than 20 miles from the 10th largest city in the United States (San Jose &#8211; pop. ~1,000,000) and those 20 miles are almost all empty and largely unused.  </p>
<p>  Care to cite a source to support your assertion otherwise?</p>
<p>3) Landfills and &#8220;sewage&#8221;-</p>
<p> We&#8217;re not talking about sewage here, we&#8217;re talking about human waste products.  According to Snohomish County, WA&#8217;s Public Works department: &#8220;Landfills are designed to safely handle substances such as dog waste, cat litter, and dirty diapers.&#8221;</p>
<p>4) Few diaper recycling facilities-</p>
<p>  Can&#8217;t argue with you here.  Of course, the reason there are few of these facilities is simply because there is not enough demand for them.  In other words, not enough people care enough about disposable diapers to convince entrepreneurs to be willing to fight through all the government regulations required to start such a business.  Want more diaper recycling?  Convince your government to drop all the regulation! </p>
<p>I look forward to your response!</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. I would like to comment on a few points:
- Washing diapers (or any article of clothing) in 90 degree water is going to destroy that article quickly. I doubt that many people would be using water over 60 degrees on a regular basis and the fuel burned to raise the water temperature that last 30 degrees would be substantial.
- There may be lots of land out there that could be used for landfills, but these places are often far from heavily populated areas. Transporting waste a long distance is certainly not eco friendly. 
- Landfills are not made to handle sewage. 
- It may be possible to recycle disposables, but very few of these facilities exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. I would like to comment on a few points:<br />
- Washing diapers (or any article of clothing) in 90 degree water is going to destroy that article quickly. I doubt that many people would be using water over 60 degrees on a regular basis and the fuel burned to raise the water temperature that last 30 degrees would be substantial.<br />
- There may be lots of land out there that could be used for landfills, but these places are often far from heavily populated areas. Transporting waste a long distance is certainly not eco friendly.<br />
- Landfills are not made to handle sewage.<br />
- It may be possible to recycle disposables, but very few of these facilities exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Jena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I didn&#039;t expect that sort of conclusion.  I&#039;ve been told pretty much my whole life that cloth diapers are the more environmentally safe.  Thanks for the post, if nothing else, you&#039;ve inspired me to do some research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I didn&#8217;t expect that sort of conclusion.  I&#8217;ve been told pretty much my whole life that cloth diapers are the more environmentally safe.  Thanks for the post, if nothing else, you&#8217;ve inspired me to do some research.<br />
<span class="cluv">Jena&#180;s last [type] ..<a class="e3aaf413ee 977" rel="nofollow" href="http://getfreediapers.com/get-free-diapers-the-how-and-the-why">Get Free Diapers – The How And The Why</a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Extreme Natural gripe&#8230; &#124; Nelson Turf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Extreme Natural gripe&#8230; &#124; Nelson Turf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the planet&#8221; thing, I&#8217;ll just to point to this AWESOME article about how using cloth doesn&#8217;t reduce your carbon footprint&#8230;you know&#8230;to throw that out [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the planet&#8221; thing, I&#8217;ll just to point to this AWESOME article about how using cloth doesn&#8217;t reduce your carbon footprint&#8230;you know&#8230;to throw that out [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Abbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh. My. Gosh. THANK YOU! 
I was just about to write a post about this...but, I&#039;m feeling validated after reading your VERY thorough post. I&#039;m going to link to it...if that&#039;s okay. Abbie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh. My. Gosh. THANK YOU!<br />
I was just about to write a post about this&#8230;but, I&#8217;m feeling validated after reading your VERY thorough post. I&#8217;m going to link to it&#8230;if that&#8217;s okay. Abbie</p>
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		<title>By: Nappy bag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nappy bag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 02:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting discussion- there are pros and cons to both types of nappies, and I guess in the end it comes down to your own preferences, circumstances and priorities. It&#039;s good if you can use reusable nappies and nappy bags, but it can be a lot to deal with. I think in any case it&#039;s important to think about both options before you make a decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting discussion- there are pros and cons to both types of nappies, and I guess in the end it comes down to your own preferences, circumstances and priorities. It&#8217;s good if you can use reusable nappies and nappy bags, but it can be a lot to deal with. I think in any case it&#8217;s important to think about both options before you make a decision.</p>
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